happened. donovan allen and amy par other of shattered and douglas shown in his book america in the age of trump. on thursday night at eight eastern, books made into movies featuring margo lee shetterly, author of hidden figures. this week watch tv in prime time on c-span2. up next, texas and mexico

officials talk about us-mexico relations during the trump presidency. nasa is being renegotiated and the president has proposed building a border between the two countries. the texas tribune possible hosted this event just last month. >> hello everybody and welcome to this panel called trump in mexico. allow me to introduce the panel. i will start on the end over there. congressman henry, a democrat from texas was elected in 2005 to represent district 28. he served on the house of the patient committee and on the subcommittee of homeland security and transportation housing and urban development. previously, he served as a secretary of state of texas and before that he was as we say house trained in the texas house of representatives. a republican from texas has served as the cultural commissioner since 2014 and also has served six terms in the texas house and that's why wanted to put you together

[inaudible] he is an eight generation rancher and served on the state agricultural and served on or served on, i guess, state agricultural policy board and was appointed to serve on a national energy council. sitting next to sid muller is veronica veronica escobar, serving her current second term and previously she was county commissioner. precinct to and as a member of numerous boards and commissions in el paso where she was born and is very proud of. she is focused on border policy, education and youth leadership development. in august she announced her candidacy for the 16th congressional district which is currently held by representative or rourke. tony, native of brownsville, texas served at the fastener of the next go to 2002 to 2009. before his appointment he served

as the texas secretary of state and is chairman of the texas railroad commission. he is currently counsel in the next go to the office of [inaudible] and chairman of de novo ventures on management consulting firm specializing in cross-border business to moment. [inaudible conversations] governor francisco has served as governor of the mexican state of [inaudible], our neighbor which borders texas from webb county to brownsville since 2016. he previously served as mayor of [inaudible] a border city across from texas in a federal senator as governor has advocated for greater cooperation between texas and [inaudible]. here's a fun factory he was born in mcallen, texas went to the house. there and i believe is the only dual national governor in

mexico. so, i think it's cool that we have four of the five panelists and four were born along the border. said muller and i were not so the title of this panel is trump and mexico but it might as well be called trump versus mexico. we all remember the line about rapist and drug traffickers and a few good people coming across the us-mexico border. the relationship remains tense whether it is over the wall, daca, nasa, you name it. let's start with a show of hands. who on this panel supports something or anything that donald trump is doing when it comes to his policy and rhetoric directed at mexico. let's start with tony. this is actually going to be curiously enough. >> it is not so much that i support the positions of the president has taken but i support the responses to the position the president has taken. if you look at 25 years nasa had

pretty much taken for granted that we would have an open and efficient trading relationship with mexico and i think until the president started to really challenge those assumptions we weren't very good about defending the importance of the relationship. we weren't good about every day stepping up and saying this relationship means hundreds of thousands of jobs for texas. it means opportunity and prosperity in mexico, it means the opportunity to have a cooperative relationship with a single most important partner that we have in terms of security, in terms of immigration, in terms of all those issues that impact the border but our lives generally in the united states of mexico. in a sense, until there was this threat through this relationship that we had gotten so comfortable with we weren't

willing to step up each and every day independent. not that i defend so much in any way the position the president has taken with respect to trade or daca or immigration reform and the need for it but it's that i think it was important for us to start being far more vocal about how important it was to the quality of our lives each day and the nature of the security relationship in the importance of the relationship that we have with our sister states like [inaudible] in the country of mexico. >> commissioner muller, i'm concerned that that's not exactly what you have mine. you agree with trump on a lot -- >> i would say that but with a caveat. i think i take a kinder, gentler approach that our president does. i think that people think our president in his current political position, which he is not apologetic, he' politician,s

a dealmaker and a businessman and wants to make america great again. part of making a deal is positioning yourself and let's take nasa for instance which i agree with him on. over 20 years old, old document, you know, consumers have changed, technology has changed. capita consumption has changed and it's like house he built 20 years ago. it's time for a new paint of code that we need to modernize it. the line is and when i served and came on board as one of the advisors, agricultural advisor to him he agreed that agriculture would have a say in what we did with nasa or mexico or immigration and he kept that word so far. so, he will throw out a lot of bombastic statements like i'm gonna scrap the whole thing and

start over well -- >> you have a problem with bombastic statements? [laughter] someone said one of the reporters said i was trump afford trump was trump. anyway, as i know the man in know his background that is part of the positioning yourself in bargaining. the -- if you say you're going to scrap the whole deal then they start scrambling and they say wait, hold up a minute before you scrap the whole thing. what was it you wanted and let's see if can work this out and let's get to the table. i think it is in our best interest that we do that. my advice is as advisory is nasa is the ground-floor when we make it better for both sides for mexico, canada, us and we take that agreement and build on it. we don't tear it down so that is

why the agriculture advisory committee even though agriculture is affected greatly with nasa there advising you to -- there are things that we need to tweak and update. >> congressman, let me ask you about that. what i'm hearing actually in both of these answers is that donald trump has presented an opportunity whether you like what he says or don't like what he says where were talking about nasa and even people who didn't want to talk about nasa want to talk about nasa. do you agree there is an opportunity here because? >> i disagree because we had that conversation before hand and i think it was in june of 2016 or whenever he started his campaign thing that mexicans were rapist, murders and if you remember there was an agreement called or an approach that we were looking at called the transpacific partnership and under the transpacific partnership we did nasa

two-point oh. everything were talking about except for the fury and fire was done during gdp and the only bad thing is under the third day of the presidency the president got out of the transpacific partnership and the only one that was happy was china because we got out of that itself. trade is very important and i live in laredo and i represent all the way down to the valley to antonio. every day there is $1.3 billion of trade between the united states and the united states. that's over $1 million a minute and then when he talks about the rapists and murderers, look what the chicks have sent. last year they sent almost 20 million we had 20 million mexican registers that year and that's one out of four people that come on the united states that are mexicans that mexico

sent more than the uk, japan, brazil, china, germany, france, everyone put together. billions of dollars were spent and tony, we all know this. they come in and spend money in our hotels, restaurants, et cetera et cetera so if someone is such a good businessman imagine if two businesspeople got together and said before we get started i want to tell you that your family, your rapists, murderers and you have all this and by the way can we get started on negotiations and you don't do that because if you see russia as a friend in mexico as an enemy our world has been turned upside down. [applause] >> i want to get everyone on this question because this is the whole not here. for example, can you say anything nice about trump and mexico perspective is of that hazardous to your political health. >> first of all, we need to keep

this indignity with each country and maintain the position that [inaudible] regarding nasa we have to sometimes i wonder if this trilateral agreement, canada is involved as well. we need to hear what they have to say regarding the negotiation that nasa has to take place and another thing sometimes i wonder if we need to look across the border in the southern part of the border and instead we look across the ocean and are we competing with each other or are we really competing with each countries like china, japan, korea or in some others but we are talking about lowering the trade deficit but what we need to do is work together and make sure we maintain the [inaudible]

between our countries. the idea of nafta is to lower the cost of [inaudible] and if they start putting product who will pay for the increase of this product. the government? the consumers are the one that will pay the increase of those products. >> but do you think given to the question of trump that whether you like trump or hate trump that he has brought the conversation about nasa to be have and you agree that? >> the thing that i agree is that we need some other things then nasa. there are other issues and that are not included and it has to be put on the table and remember that mexico has become a real good partner, a real good ally in friend and many other issues

have to do with the security issues and those things need to take count as well. back to the question, i believe that the review with the idea of benefit between the three countries back jessica, do you feel that trump has actually and in a strange way provided an opportunity to talk about some of these issues? >> i do. first, to you and jay, thank you for hosting us and everyone here i am so glad that you are interested in this conversation. it's a really important conversation. i told several books yesterday that instead of a moderator with this topic we probably needed a psychotherapist or a social worker to help us talk through some of these issues but interestingly enough when trump first talked about blowing up

nasa our community is much like laredo where one quarter of our jobs are dependent on trade. there was a real fear in el paso about how this would impact our local economy and what it would mean to our jobs. we had already suffered through the implementation of nafta where we had our on appointment rates skyrocket when many of manufacturing move south of the border. we had to regroup and we had to reinvent ourselves and reinvent our economy and to have to do it again if nasa were blown up is a hard thing for community to take over and over again. i will tell you there is an opportunity and i think it is up to all of us to ensure that we maximize this opportunity through conversations and advocacy and through congressional votes and a push to the government to make nasa better but we also have to look at the other side of the border and i will give you an example. when there was a group of women

who were advocating for a salary increase they were fired. they camped out outside of their manufacturing plants in the dead of winter as a protest and to draw attention to the fact that they had very few labor rights. we should never benefit from others misery and so there is an opportunity to create better working conditions on both sides but especially in places like mexico. i think additionally, if we look at the other issue that trump has brought to the forefront, which is immigration, immigration and trade will hand in hand, in my view. when you have a rapidly industrialized area but human rights and worker rights don't keep up with it and people are struggling they are going to want to leave their homeland to find something better.

so, it increases immigration, undocumented immigration. nobody will want to leave their neighborhood, their family, their language, their country to go somewhere they are not wanted unless they feel absolutely desperate to do so. it is an opportunity to create better conditions for people who want to work and who want a better life and who want to stay in their country and then trump, you know, solve two issues that he claims the american public wanted him to solve, immigration and trade but in a positive way. do i think that will happen? it will be tough. >> while your -- [applause] i want to ask you about the wall. we talked about this on the phone before and you came on this panel but you have right now and in large stretches in el paso county, let me ask you this

to the fences work and if they do, you know, is there anything wrong with adding to that more physical barriers or should they be turned down? >> the whole wall idea is offensive and absurd and intended to be. we already have a wall. [applause] >> does it work? >> i will answer that. i do believe there are probably areas where you need some kind of fencing but what we have in el paso is absurd. it is disgusting, it is rusting, it is intended to send a negative message to our neighbor. with all due respect to the commissioner when you have a good neighbor and say what you want about us-mexico relations there is a lot of blame on both sides on the issue that we are grappling with together. do yout

the physical structures or adding to them. >> i don't believe in building more walls. the case in texas, were talking about $1 billion. this is not going to be the first or the last time that i say this, but sometimes it's very important for the people next to us in washington to understand what goes on under the border.

were not only neighbors but were friends. in many cases we are family. we depend on each other and we need to work on that so i'm uses panel to come to the border. we depend on each other and working together, we will benefit the call fo quality of life. >> and you made that same invitation, i thank you all have the most unlikely friendship in the western hemisphere. what is up with your romance. [laughter] >> he's a rancher and i'm a rancher. >> if you look at that. when nafta was most threatened , a couple months ago it was

actually, they marched into the oval office and said timeout, slow down, before we get too far ahead of ourselves , in terms of condemning and threatening withdrawal, let's look at the impact on the midwest in texas in terms of access to mexico. once we started looking more clearly and what it meant to the united states, there's a tendency, to think that it's a zero-sum game or that it's only benefiting mexico, this is really about the benefits to the united states. even if you looked at it, you look at it and say it still in the best interest of the united states have a constructive, interesting good trading relationship with mexico. even if we looked at immigration we wanted to take a zero-sum, put your blinders

on, immigrants have always been good for the united states. it's one of these things, that even if you looked at it very dispassionately and said as the united states, what is in the very best interest. i remember physical obstacles and that was the most of efficient way. this is not the 60s anymore. there are ways to integrate technology and the truth is, if you are really talking about security, and your looking at the transnational threats to the united states, whether they be terrorism, cartels, transnational criminal organizations, almost by definition when you say transnational it means transnational cooperation. it means the only way that you

are going to confront these menaces affectively is through cooperation with mexico. it's about technology. sure, maybe some physical obstacles were the appropriate response in the 60s and 70s, but we don't live in the 60s and 70s. any wall that needs to be built was probably already been built. the fact is when you are looking at physical obstacles with technology cooperation, you are looking backwards and not forward. [applause] >> listen, i want to get you, very quickly, please explain this relationship that you have struck up with the governor here, and what it might say about, even in this heated era with trump tweeting out obscenities or whatever it's doing, what basis, this

very briefly describe what you and the governor have done. >> and the governor came up, actually before he ever took office, we set down and discussed things and said how can we help them and how can we help you as farmers and ranchers and we just hit it off. we practiced the good neighbor policy. we want to keep those dialogues (at that time, there was a lot of vitriol and rhetoric about shutting down and having a wall being driven between our mexican counterparts in the united states. we saw through that, we work through that, and what you mentioned, the program, the bow wheel program we have eradication program, we manage that here in texas going all

the way from alabama to california, it cannot out a cotton crop. we've basically eradicated that from all this in the united states, but we start a hotspot down on the border. i was explaining this to the future governor at this time and he hadn't sworn in that we needed their cooperation because it keeps reinfected. i showed him pictures of cotton plants that word 25-foot tall that people use shade tree in their yard and i don't think he was aware of that. what he was sworn in through consulting with our people and their people and the cotton plants and put in new guidelines and spray. we have our first growing season since then. i'm proud to report that the

hotspot in laredo probably diminished about 90%. that's how the good neighbor policy works back and forth. i appreciate that. now, you need something for me, i'm johnny on the spot. whatever i can do to help my neighbor to the south i will. that's is working together and building good relationships. >> let's turn to another issue that's always a major sticking point and that is corruption. eleven former governors of mexico, including two of your predecessors are being investigated or have been indicted on serious corruption issues. do americans have the right to be skeptical about partnering and i want to get into our own corruption. do they not have the right about what happened when partnering with mexican

law-enforcement and political leaders? that's the first question. secondly, would you be in favor of extraditing your two predecessors to the united states? the problem with corruption, the criminals go back and forth. i was trying to believe that medication and working together with the institutions on both sides would be the only way to stop criminals going back and forth. regarding the x governors and some other states, they're just applying the law. they commit a crime and they're going to go to jail. regarding the 2x governors, one of them will depend and they decide to leave in mexico or in the united states. according to the security and the police officers, i set it

back then and i said again, i was president of the army committee when i was a senator , and i worked with the united states because what is good for somebody is good for texas. but what is bad over there, we call them criminals and drugs and weapons going back and forth, that's also bad for the united states so right now, i'm on the record. the governor talked didn't talk about corruption on the side of the border. we looked into this and we found so many instances.

we just, shouldn't this be more about the conversation and texas and bring in more lie detectors or whatever it is, have a more robust discussion, but it doesn't seem to be part of the discussion. we do work on those issues. there are those investigations that are ongoing right now. anytime there's money flown in from the bad guys, they will try to influence people. sometimes they go back as weapons as were talking about and that's another issue that goes in. that's an issue, and that's why were trying to hire the

border patrol, if you remember some years ago we have the largest number of portage patrol. corruption is an issue that addresses, should be addressed.

drug money destroys our systems and our democracies and our local government.

in terms of the focus on those prosecutions. not just looking for the quick conditions but building cases about not only how is this individual officeholder involve involved, but who were the facilitators. where were the business people or the businesses or the shelf businesses or the attorneys, the accountants to lawyers. the temptation is to say it's much larger than that.

you're not going to get this unless you have the cooperation. i think we will need cooperation -- >> you brought this up about the demand for drugs. we talk about 60 minutes and the heroine crisis. these are like football players. they mention one little thing, it came from mexico, were not really tying this as part of the national debate.

were also hiring their workers. judge escobar, what about that? why isn't that part of the discussion? >> and it should be. any corruption should outrage all of us, without a doubt. part of what i find troubling, whenever we have leaders in d.c., and trump is no different, who wanted to create a border surge of agents and higher 5000 more agents or 3000 more agents, in order to do that rapidly, there is a weakness on the betting. i have a couple of friends and another federal agency who get lie detector tested constantly. they get called into a room and they get plugged into a lie detector test and they complained bitterly. they complained that was not the case.

typically you have customs and border protection. when you have national political figure saying we need to send more people to the border, there is a price to pay for that. we have to recognize and be skeptical that whenever we hear something about that, how will that be executed, and what process will be skipped to achieve this political goal. >> i would ask you something. donald trump is not only stirred up americans about mexico, but he stirred up mexicans about the united states and about him, and were not the only one who have a populist politician like donald trump. their candidate has shot to the top of the polls because

of some of the stuff that's going on between the united states and mexico. is that what you want in mexico? a leftist populace? i guess the answer to that would be no. i think that type of people is what appealed to donald trump. >> but has it occurred to you at all the all of this

rhetoric could be provoking a reaction that could come back to bite us in the you know what. >> with the right people could but i think we have a good man and all trumpet i think he truly loves this country. i think he means it when he says he wants to make this country great again. you might not believe in the pathway, but you would be hard-pressed to argue that point. i think he is genuinely in this for the country and not himself and he is not a politician. he's a businessman. he's a new yorker. is a little rough around the edges and plainspoken but that's his personality. >> what about the internal situation in mexico which is said to be leaning toward a guy like chavez? he is a leftist populace. what would it mean if he were

elected in mexico and you feel like that presents a real risk. >> certainly they would like to know with their elected officials are but there are elected -- some of us have been working on this for year. if you remember mexico in the 80s. we finally succeeded, we learne learned, we got nafta and now we have three countries that are working together very competitively that provide us as a region to compete in other sides of the world.

we are the ones that will be right in the middle of all this. it does concern me that we address it. do you blame mexico as a country when you call them every name you can think of and you insult them, does everyone know, for example, the holy week, they come over and spend money. if you talk to cbp or folks, the numbers have gone down. if you go to restaurant places, they will tell you they've lost about 50%. remember the 1,920,000,000 individuals that have talked about, there's less money for

hotels, restaurants, malls, et cetera. you might correct me on this governor, but when you asked the may condo, mexican, they say first of all were frayed what will happen they might treat you different at the border and number two, why am i going to spend money in a country that calls me a rapist, a murder, et cetera when the ones with money go somewhere else. we are losing out not only insure them. i'm an attorney by profession. i know they will tell you that there's less money on equipment, on warehouses. words do have reall repercussion and i don't blame the mexicans for reaction we don't know what will happen in july 2018. we might be faced with a situation.

>> i think you are and bask in the 2006 election when it seemed like a florida all over again. i remember. what was going on in the state department. was there a freak out moment? >> i don't think there was a freak out moment, but let me take this in a slightly different direction. somehow in the united states we think it's going to be driven entirely by the perception, i think that's a little bit presumptuous. if you look at the serving, i'm there for five days a week. if you look at the surveys and

the polling done in mexico, the first tier issues that they are concerned about his public corruption, economic growth, you must have to go down a little ways when they're talking specifically about what they are doing. to a certain extent extent there's a general acceptance that trade is good in the country. i think there could be some feed in from the relationship to the mexican elections, but the first, second and third tier issues in mexico are largely domestic. they are people each and every day asking us how we feel about public corruption. i think that's important point to make. the second is very interesting

and it's a little more subtle, but because of this need, if you will to be strongly in a negotiating position, i think mexico has become more confident of their position as it relates between the united states and canada because they had to carve out a negotiating position. secondly, i think they have recognized there are other trading partners in the world that they have to start developing more robust relationships. their relationships with the

europeans, in a sense this has forced them to be a more confident country. the third point is, when we get to the other side of this, i think ultimately will muddle through this and there will be a trade agreement, we will have a much more, this is the last challenge this has been a very difficult time, we have drawn down.

whether it's academic exchanges or other exchanges that can replenish that goodwill account, will come through with the trade agreement because economic interest have a way of defending themselves but the goodwill account is something that were all going to work very, very hard on. >> let me ask you very briefly, do you fear, do you think a leftist populace in mexico would be bad for the united states or do you think it would just be no big deal. >> honestly, all sort of fallback, it's not for me to say. if you asked me specifically, do i think it will endanger trade? no, i think if we get to the other side of us and we have a trade agreement we will be fine. will endanger energy reform? i would tell you that was done constitutionally and at the state level and i think it has enough momentum and becomes part of the new nafta.

if you asked me, will it prevent some challenges, probably, the same challenges trump presents to mexico may present the united states, i think we will manage this. >> smoke spoken like a diplomat. >> no. ask. >> governor, you're obviously from a different party than he is, he's a conservativ -- you're a conservative, he's a liberal. you think this would be bad for mexico? >> no, i believe mexicans are wise enough to choose the right person. he will run for president but just remember we don't know yet who will be the candidates for the other particle parties and right now there's a moment going on in mexico where they

are getting together was citizens movement that will maybe be a surprise. the exit polls that you're talking about, they proved this movement high. once again, i believe they will be wise enough to select the right person. >> i want to ask you about daca, the program that shielded people from deportation who were brought here as children and the polls show most americans want to keep daca or some version of it and mexican leaders have been very critical of the

decision to wipe out daca, although now he wants congress to do it. as someone who lives in mexico and is a mexican politician, why is mexico not doing more to ensure a rich country. coming back to daca saying let me choose something, i know a little bit about people, young people who will be real upset for all these persons.

maybe in the future they will become a new silicon valley. if that happens. >> i want to ask a couple lightning round questions here. i think they will be putting out microphones were people can line up. in terms of the question proces process, please don't come up just to make a statement. we want to get as many questions as we can so please ask a question. i've got a quick lightning round. i want a yes or no, and then a brief explanation. would you be in favor of legalizing marijuana in both mexico, the united states and canada, recognizing that there are a lot of u.s. states that

already have recreational marijuana. you can go to colorado and spark up all you want and then you get arrested, why are we spending money on this? >> no. >> why not. >> just one of those old traditional, i think drugs are drugs. >> no, it's a gateway drug. >> yes, and i love that you used sparked up in your question. >> yes, but if you think that's going to address the security, corruption and cartel issues that mexico faces, you are wrong. those are issues of institutions and the need to bill institutions in mexico. just to finish that thought, too often in mexico they blame entirely on the demand side, and to a certain extent they are right. even without that demand you have some weak institutions that need addressed.

>> no. we're not prepared for that. this is a health issue and educational issue and were not prepared for that right now. >> one more lightning round. we will be ready to go for questions. what congressman is the one thing you think most needs to be fixed under nafta? you wave a wand and fix it, what is it. >> customs facilitation. we need to make sure we eased the process of how we move goods across and it's not only the procedures, but we have to make sure we have the right infrastructure that bridges the equipment to move and create it as efficiently as possible. >> part of that is we need to move stations in the interior and talk about that.

>> our produce farmers have suffered greatly in previously years. recently we lost almost all our tomato production, watermelon production is not profitable anymore, we have competing interest over each growing season so that is one of the things we need to work out. right now neither side is winning. no one's making a profit. we need to fix that so the american farmers to make a profit. mexican farmers can make a profit and we can all live in harmony. >> those labor issues, when we create conditions where we strengthen a middle-class on our side and where we create a strong middle-class on the mexican side, you end up addressing a whole host of other issues including drug use and corruption and undocumented immigration. it's a real opportunity.

>> in addition, that whole space that you would call technology, when you think 25 years ago none of it was part of the framework. whether it's intellectual property, the movement of goods and services as it relates to e-commerce, the people in that space. >> modernized technology. one morning think we fix the tree. >> first of all we can see to other as competitors but we are partners. what we need to do is to make sure we do all the changes in order to lower the cost for customers and the consumers.

>> we will move to questions. >> i do work here locally. we organize solidarity movements for people on the side of the border in texas and people across the border mexico who work in sweatshops. my question is if nafta is renegotiated or replaced or whatever, what role can human rights play in that, and if we are going go forward with the free trade agreement, how can we create a fair trade agreement as well to limit some of these problems that we see across the border. >> should human rights.

>> i will talk about labor rights and environmental rights. >> i go back to the transpacific partnership. before we did that, we did another trade agreement. we learned a lot from nafta, from years ago, from very different time. we didn't have all this. even though the labor standards in the environment of standards, if you look under the obama administration , we actually worked out pretty good environmental and labor standards and if we would have tpp, i'm hoping we would add the same labor and environmental standards to nafta because we have moved totally from the original nafta. >> the only thing i would add to that is absolutely yes. as to the movement, transporting of people, this is just unconscionable what happens in the space.

that whole space needs to be shown a bright light on. >> first well, thank you for the great conversation. governor, you made the voluntary move from the u.s. to mexico, and aspect of immigration that this is ever talked about the media, what inspired you to make that decision to build your political career in mexico as opposed to the u.s.? >> first of all, all the family is from mexico. i just happened to have been born here. my dad and my mom are mexicans. there are thousands and thousands of people that are binational and what happened

to me is a chance to go to school here and maybe that help me know many things that were going on in my country that i didn't like. that's why i decided to get into politics, to make a change. two change the things for the better of the people. >> my question is for the panel as a whole. with the conflict on the border and talks about the wall, concerning the environmental side, is there continued binational work done to figure out what is happening at the rio grande,

issues concerning environmental sustainability along the border. >> can you just boil it down. >> i'm sorry. >> my question is, with all the conflicts around the border, is there sustained by national work done with the rio grande in terms of water resources for communities on both sides or is that coming down. >> so the water question and what is the structure for us to handle water. >> there's an agency that controls and there's some agreement made in 1944.

i think it's a good deal that was made back then. were always going to be having trouble with water. it's a worldwide problem. i believe we need to work for more than that. there is water going to the sea that can be drained for the border and there are some projects that are on the table that i believe we can work out to have enough water for the next generation. >> unfortunately i'm getting the hook over here so we have to stop here and unfortunately we can't take any more questions. please give a round of applause to this great panel.

>> thank you very much coming up later today, live coverage here on c-span2 of president trump's trip to pennsylvania to discuss tax reform. live coverage getting underway at 545 eastern. tomorrow, we are alive in nashville tennessee for the next stop on the capitals tool or. to her. they will be discussing the top policies and join us tomorrow for the entire "washington journal" starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span.

>> coming up shortly, we will go live to capitol hill for a hearing on state department and funding for africa. the 2018 budget calls for cuts in programming funding and policy changing. live coverage starts at 2:00 p.m. eastern. you can listen for the free c-span radio out. while we wait for that get started, a portion of the journal, looking at the future of the rand nuclear agreement. >> joining uswa now from the bipartisan policy center, he serves as our national security program director and we are here to talk about the future of iran nuclear agreement. >> could you remind us what the u.s. role has been in this agreement and what our current stance is on it. >> the u.s. is one of the leading countries trying to get this agreement in the first place. as part of the agreement that was reached under president obama, the u.s. has a responsibility